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		<title>By: Peter Saracino</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-133</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:37:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi.
Am an amateur astronomer in the Finger Lakes area (north of Geneva, NY). I teach the subject at the high school level and local community college. Am also very interested in both archaeoastronmy and the search for life in the greater universe - intelligent and otherwise. I have a good working knowledge of the night sky, astronomical history and also have a 10&quot; scope and would like to help out at local star parties - including the upcoming one in Geneva.  Who can I get in touch with to offer my help?
thanks and keep up the good work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.<br />
Am an amateur astronomer in the Finger Lakes area (north of Geneva, NY). I teach the subject at the high school level and local community college. Am also very interested in both archaeoastronmy and the search for life in the greater universe &#8211; intelligent and otherwise. I have a good working knowledge of the night sky, astronomical history and also have a 10&#8243; scope and would like to help out at local star parties &#8211; including the upcoming one in Geneva.  Who can I get in touch with to offer my help?<br />
thanks and keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: punkastronomy</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-65</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,
Great question. The galaxy model with felt and salt is not as directly representational as some of the solar system models are, where we&#039;re dealing with far fewer bodies about which much more is known (diameters, distances, etc). The galactic model is much harder to design, especially since it&#039;s really a mental model and not an operational one. 

The grain size of the salt is not taken into account. In this sense, the model takes a telescopic view of stars--that they are points of light. A model that did include the vast differences in stellar diameters would quickly loose its usefulness as a simplified but graspable metaphor, in part because we&#039;d need a kind of salt with greatly variable grain size that also happened to account for the distribution of different stellar sizes in the galaxy. I know we have a sense of where the Milky Way stars fall on this distribution, but you could see where it would quickly get out of hand as a teaching model. 

For distances, it&#039;s the same issue; accuracy makes the model untenable. Obviously stars are not distributed across the galaxy equally, with far greater numbers in and near the core. That we know, but we&#039;re still learning what the rest looks like. The model of the many-armed Milky Way that I grew up with is now quite different, and likely to change again. The model runs into the limits of our present knowledge. We&#039;re not even sure about how many stars there are in the Milky Way--and the discrepancies in estimates are not small (+- 100 billion!). So the 7 miles is meant to represent the average density, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s even as representative as that. The point of the 7 miles it that it&#039;s far--very, very far, between most stars, and to give people a basic building block with which to start to construct the bigger picture. Which of course quickly grows past our comprehension. 

I&#039;m not entirely happy with those abstractions...I wish I could find a more defensible number than 7 miles. I&#039;ve looked and can&#039;t seem to find much on average interstellar distances. I&#039;d love to refine the model further, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,<br />
Great question. The galaxy model with felt and salt is not as directly representational as some of the solar system models are, where we&#8217;re dealing with far fewer bodies about which much more is known (diameters, distances, etc). The galactic model is much harder to design, especially since it&#8217;s really a mental model and not an operational one. </p>
<p>The grain size of the salt is not taken into account. In this sense, the model takes a telescopic view of stars&#8211;that they are points of light. A model that did include the vast differences in stellar diameters would quickly loose its usefulness as a simplified but graspable metaphor, in part because we&#8217;d need a kind of salt with greatly variable grain size that also happened to account for the distribution of different stellar sizes in the galaxy. I know we have a sense of where the Milky Way stars fall on this distribution, but you could see where it would quickly get out of hand as a teaching model. </p>
<p>For distances, it&#8217;s the same issue; accuracy makes the model untenable. Obviously stars are not distributed across the galaxy equally, with far greater numbers in and near the core. That we know, but we&#8217;re still learning what the rest looks like. The model of the many-armed Milky Way that I grew up with is now quite different, and likely to change again. The model runs into the limits of our present knowledge. We&#8217;re not even sure about how many stars there are in the Milky Way&#8211;and the discrepancies in estimates are not small (+- 100 billion!). So the 7 miles is meant to represent the average density, but I&#8217;m not sure it&#8217;s even as representative as that. The point of the 7 miles it that it&#8217;s far&#8211;very, very far, between most stars, and to give people a basic building block with which to start to construct the bigger picture. Which of course quickly grows past our comprehension. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not entirely happy with those abstractions&#8230;I wish I could find a more defensible number than 7 miles. I&#8217;ve looked and can&#8217;t seem to find much on average interstellar distances. I&#8217;d love to refine the model further, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Engel</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Engel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 02:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the scalar analogy using salt and velvet, does the size of the grain serve as a factor of comparison to the size of a star, which determines, in turn, the seven mile space between grains? Perhaps it would be better stated: Is there a scale relationship between grain diameter and average interstellar distance?  It is a great concept and I would not want to misstate the truth of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the scalar analogy using salt and velvet, does the size of the grain serve as a factor of comparison to the size of a star, which determines, in turn, the seven mile space between grains? Perhaps it would be better stated: Is there a scale relationship between grain diameter and average interstellar distance?  It is a great concept and I would not want to misstate the truth of it.</p>
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		<title>By: punkastronomy</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[punkastronomy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave--we hope to reschedule the Montezuma party. I will be doing some outreach in the Geneva area soon, and I&#039;ll try to post that on the front page of my blog in advance. It&#039;s hard because sometimes I&#039;ll go spur of the moment, like last night, when I went to a lecture at HWS and set up the scope afterwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8211;we hope to reschedule the Montezuma party. I will be doing some outreach in the Geneva area soon, and I&#8217;ll try to post that on the front page of my blog in advance. It&#8217;s hard because sometimes I&#8217;ll go spur of the moment, like last night, when I went to a lecture at HWS and set up the scope afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Wright</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ann Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Doug,
Many thanks for  sharing your stories with us, -- space has always held a fascination for me, -- I am a lapsed member of the Cotswold Astronomical Society in Cheltenham - in England-      --  I do not have the time I would like, to devote to the  hobby  unfortunately.-  Cheltonians have been asked how we would like to change  Cheltenham, -- I suggested the town invests in a PLANETARIUM, --  the town has a yearly Science Festival and a small planetarium is set up when the festival is on, -- but I was suggesting a PERMANENT  ONE, -- there are  a  few multi millionares  in Cheltenham ,   ( I am not one),  who could cover the  cost  of this, and let a few moths out of their wallets.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Doug,<br />
Many thanks for  sharing your stories with us, &#8212; space has always held a fascination for me, &#8212; I am a lapsed member of the Cotswold Astronomical Society in Cheltenham &#8211; in England-      &#8212;  I do not have the time I would like, to devote to the  hobby  unfortunately.-  Cheltonians have been asked how we would like to change  Cheltenham, &#8212; I suggested the town invests in a PLANETARIUM, &#8212;  the town has a yearly Science Festival and a small planetarium is set up when the festival is on, &#8212; but I was suggesting a PERMANENT  ONE, &#8212; there are  a  few multi millionares  in Cheltenham ,   ( I am not one),  who could cover the  cost  of this, and let a few moths out of their wallets.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Spier</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Spier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry I missed the Montezuma star party last night, if you managed to have it.  Here in Clifton Springs, it was cloudy and rained (poured) for a time.  I was wondering if you have any more scheduled, or whether you&#039;d be interested in trying one at the Montezuma Audubon Center (just north of Savannah)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry I missed the Montezuma star party last night, if you managed to have it.  Here in Clifton Springs, it was cloudy and rained (poured) for a time.  I was wondering if you have any more scheduled, or whether you&#8217;d be interested in trying one at the Montezuma Audubon Center (just north of Savannah)?</p>
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		<title>By: punkastronomy</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[punkastronomy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 17:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David,
Thanks so much for writing. It&#039;s great to know the blog is reaching people, and that I&#039;m avoiding the self-indulgent and rambling trap--though I think I always have to be careful about it; the medium itself encourages it. cheers!
doug]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,<br />
Thanks so much for writing. It&#8217;s great to know the blog is reaching people, and that I&#8217;m avoiding the self-indulgent and rambling trap&#8211;though I think I always have to be careful about it; the medium itself encourages it. cheers!<br />
doug</p>
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		<title>By: David Pitre</title>
		<link>http://punkastronomy.com/about/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Pitre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoy your writing. You are a thoughtful and humble person with a gift.
I don&#039;t read blogs, and was a bit surprised to find myself here reading. I have tried , but generally find them self-indulgent and rambling. 
 Good job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy your writing. You are a thoughtful and humble person with a gift.<br />
I don&#8217;t read blogs, and was a bit surprised to find myself here reading. I have tried , but generally find them self-indulgent and rambling.<br />
 Good job.</p>
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